Buckie,

I still say your daughter must of been in Bucks Fizz, I haven't heard of anybody else who's managed to get their deposit back. Maybe you wrote one of their songs, 'land of make believe'. LOL

Hacker, maybe she is still 'making her mind up?'.
As for not believing the escritura, you have to remember 'the camara never lies'.

As usual when Andy’s on a back foot, the troops are called in

Andy do me a favour M8 and go look for the posts yourself, and you post them !!!

I give you the opportunity to fulfil your dreams and rid me from here altogether yet you refused. It says a lot about your integrity here ???

I have never said VV was built for Social Housing for locals in Santa Maria ! I may have said if the shit hits the fan it may end up that way ? … as let’s face it, the Contract can’t protect you !

Andy, let’s get one thing straight here !

You’re in here to stop this sort of information going public, and losing it all in arguments !!!

You would rather some innocent, un-suspecting buyer buy into VV without this knowledge, or at least the knowledge, to look into it further themselves !!! That’s the “happy” buyers attitude here, or at least some of them, (as some did buy, no matter what the out-come was to be !) Anything to get VV Sold Out !

Like this arbitration hearing now… Andy thought all his birthdays had come at once ! It’ll save VV were his first thoughts, with the announcement they would have to pay up or lose everything ! Yes, he was rubbings his hands…. All along in his comments on this matter he’s put it over “it’s across the board and applies to everyone” of course without saying it directly !!! Even adding, “think carefully about using yet more money to fight this” !!! All this of course with the knowledge of talking to those involved ??? So obviously knew it didn’t apply to everyone !

….and I have an Agenda ?

Since you are so interested in the ownership clause Buckie why dont you contact NDR. You have had the chance to ask all the questions but you dont. What have you got to lose?

I can't believe Buckie hasn't been banned yet, and even more astonishing is that everyone is wasting their time even giving him the pleasure of responding to his posts, it's what he wants.

Another happy Owner that wants me banned ?

For What ? Posting the truth ?

I don't take pleasure in having to reply, mainly to insults, I've better things to do with my time but feel sometimes I have to defend what I post...

Rotti...

You can't argue with what the Contract states ! That's all I'm saying ! Read yours ....

Well clearly you can argue with what is in the contract.
But, that aside, what the hell has the contract got to do with your escritura?

The reason people want you banned is because you tell lots of lies and hand out bad, ill informed advice and dress it up as being helpfull. Your not helpful Buckie. If there is one vv owner on here that finds you helpful, please shout up.

Peter can you argue with what's in the Contract ? Do you know the points Tecnicil won this case on ?


No VV Owner will think it helpful, as clearly, it’s not helpful to them now, if anything it shows how not to buy in CV. As your now locked into a devious appalling developer that has no regard for anything. Didn't pay anyone rents, and you allowed them to get away with that ? That obviously set the state of play for Tecnicil ! They have shown they can clearly do anything they want, with you and take whatever part of the Contract and throw it away.
Further to that, and despite you lot paying into a legal fund, bearing in mind what’s just happened, has shown, it’ll be in vain, a waste of money as no matter. (Odd Andy advises others to think about throwing more money into arbitration, yet advertises for your legal fund ?) As if you discovered anything with Tecnicil, your helpless when faced with that legal system ! That’s if the happy ones would ever go up against Tecnicil !


I’d like anyone of you to show me where I’ve ever told anyone what to do ? The Potential buyers out there have a free mind and can research the things I bring up themselves without Andy’s intervention ? Yes they can think for themselves …
If they find what I post rubbish, they’ll simply ignore it Peter, yes, they may too say in here it’s Rubbish, but it’s not for those who have already purchased to call the shots on what’s posted in here and what’s not !!!

Allow New Buyers the freedom to know what’s gone on beforehand so they won’t make the same mistakes as you lot !!! New developments are coming, so allow them to dictate to developers what they want, even if it means walking away from a development you’re never going to see a return on !
Trying to stifle bad, Negative or whatever else you call it will only make matters worse on Sal and things will never improve !!!

Buckie

I think the main problem that I and others have with you is you are a compulsive liar.

You have to keep lying in order to keep your forum obsession going.

You ask me to post a copy of the posts where your son said both he and his sister both got their money back on VV. How can I post that, when I've actually said that they haven't said it? It is you who has said they have posted they have got their money back, so go ahead post it. Of course you won't because you've never once backed up anything I have challenged you on.

Now staying with that, you previously claimed that your son never bought on VV and he hasn't even got a sister. So how could they have got their money back? It is your son who made the original posts re both of them buying, so someone in your family is lying arent they, either you or him, if indeed you are different people!

Whatever, whether you are the same person or father and son, you have both made more posts than any other person regarding CV, yet you yourself claim none of you have ever bought a property, do you not think that is odd behaviour for any family?

Furthermore, he (or you) has been expelled from another CV forum, and you have both posted under multiple names on more than one forum. Add to that you actually started your own forum, where you introduced yourself, but put a picture of somebody else on there claiming it was you!! Then, you had to take that forum offline due to it's content, as you couldn't substantiate it's accuracy!

You claim you have no agenda when it comes to CV and Vila Verde, yet amongst many other things you have said:-

CV tourism is not increasing, the goverment are fudging the figures!

Property taxes are on the up - but they actually came down that very same year.

VV condo fees would double in 5 years - yet the very next year they came down.

VV is just timeshare!

VV is going to be used for social housing for the people of Santa Maria.

The contract states you don't really own your unit, Tecnicil do - in fact you said it states 'you own jack', which is very odd terminology for a contract don't you think? By the way, we're still waiting for you to post proof of that!

You have also been on here for the last couple of years encouraging others to go to arbitration for money back telling them 'it's a guaranteed win and then the floodgates will open'. At the same time I have been telling people to be a little more cautious, yet you constantly argued against that stating I was defending Tecnicil. Unbelievably, the first lot of arbitration results are in and Tecnicil won, meaning buyers lost and with it lost a further 10-15000 euros in costs, I still advise caution and you still insist that I am doing so to protect Tecnicil!

Buckie, because you have no friends that will share information with you, it makes you bitter and twisted so you just make things up. You care not for peoples feelings or the money that they have at stake. It's not your money and you are just some nerd who hides in a small flat with a computer in front of him constantly.

Of course I will not share information on here with you. Yes, I have seen the results of the arbitration hearings, the whole report. Based on that and information others have sent to me by email, I know why the result was reached and whether or not it is worth others taking action. What drives you mad, like with everything else, is you are kept in the dark as nobody likes you. Perhaps if people liked you and you were polite and stopped lying, you may get on a bit better. But sadly, you will never change.

Andy, same old Rubbish from you !!! Anything but what’s relevant here, or in fact been posted !

As explained umpteen times…
My Son or any other member of my family has lost money in CV ?
My Son gave an explanation why he used the word “Sister” as they didn’t want to be identified !
No One questioned the posts back then as it was all explained ahead of the posts !

Rauol said they got money back, and Peter did too some time ago, BUT do you ask THEM ? NO it’s better you try and keep this issue going !

To take a few points you raise and show you again for what you are ! …

CV tourism is not increasing, the goverment are fudging the figures!
I said, If the government openly admitted they lied to allow developers to sell remaining properties, so would they not lie about the tourism figures ? To boost Tourism ? I said that as the beaches are always empty !!! Along with VV being a ghost town !

Property taxes are on the up - but they actually came down that very same year.
Property Taxes have increased a lot from when I first started going there !FACT.. They were set to be much higher too this year, but the government did a U Turn. Only a FOOL would think Taxes are going to go Down each year !!!

VV condo fees would double in 5 years - yet the very next year they came down.
I think they will increase big time. The fact they came down was to try and sell the huge amount of properties they have left, even after they declared VV was Sold Out ??? The other fact is there is no staff on site and the pools and grounds were in a deplorable state ! It appears the only ones telling lies are Tecnicil and the Government !!!

VV is just timeshare!
I’ve never said VV IS a Timeshare … I said it resembled a Timeshare with what is Stated in the Contract !!!

VV is going to be used for social housing for the people of Santa Maria.
I’ve NEVER said VV was built as a Social Housing Scheme… Whatever Next with you ?

The problem is, it is YOU who twist everything that’s posted, and people have seen that now with you ! You can’t report on what’s being posted as you know it’s right !!!

Buckie

I am not interested in whatever others say about your families connection, it is you I am asking based on facts that I know, which are:-

Your son said that his sister had bought on VV and IMPLIED not confirmed she had got her money back.

He had also posted that he too had bought, but never mentioned whether he had got money back or not.

Now, you claim that neither ever bought, in fact that your son does not even have a sister!

To me, that's rather odd behaviour from one family, something is not right.

Now, let's say as you claim none of your family have ever bought a property in Cape Verde but you tried but failed to open a business there, that all makes you and your son making 2500 posts each on CV forums most odd, don't you think?

Furthermore what is known, is your son was thrown off another CV forum and also posted under different names. You have only been warned on here, but have also posted under different names, to 'back yourself up'. Add to that starting your own forum with a picture of someone else on there with your name written below it, to me something very odd is going on, is that not a fair assumption?

Now, onto your last post.

You still claim that the government are fudging the figures when it comes to tourism.

My property tax in 2011 was around 500 euros for the year, yet in 2012 were reduced by the government to around 160 euros - yet still you claim you were right to say taxes were increasing?

The same goes for my condominium fees on VV, they were higher in 2011 than in 2012, and they were set around the end of 2011, when there were no staff problems or problems with pools etc. For that reason I expect they will fall again this year, yet still you keep telling me they are going up?

Now you claim you never said that VV was timeshare, just resembled it, how's that then? I see you still say that's based on what is in the contract, which you have still failed to post, as you don't actually have the information to hand!!

As for the VV is going to be used for social housing, you ask whatever next? Would you care to deny you ever said that so that I can cut and paste where you did?

To me Buckie, you seem like someone who is in denial, or maybe just a very envious person.

If you want to challenge any of the above and if I'm telling the truth, here's a summary for you to challenge:-

Your son never said he had a sister?

Your son said his sister had bought on VV and got her money back?

Your son said he had bought on VV?

Your son was thrown off Cabo24 and tried to get back on under other names?

You yourself have posted under other names?

Your own website, you used someone else's picture with your name under it?

You've never said VV would be used for social housing?

You said that arbitration was a guaranteed result and the floodgates would open once the first case went through?

Do you want to deny any of the above and say that I'm lying?

There you go again ... I tried and failed to open a business out there ???

I made enquieries about the rental of a Unit out there, and that to you is Tried & Failed to open a business out there ? What sort of world do you live in ?

So Why post that, when you know fine well it was just an enquiry ?


The real issue here is You, you know I'm right and are so desperate to stop me posting any Bad, Negative or whatever you want to call this information you'll go to any lengths to stop it.

It is you who has the problem here, you hound this forum despite telling everyone you haven't the time, your obsessed with me ? Anything I post, your there to twist and make what I've posted something different as i've shown in the past !

The FACT, VV Owners now are at the Mercy of whatever Tecnicil wnat to do. All this dispite your Legal club ? All you appear to do with that is get the small things done ! However, when it comes to getting down to fighting Tecnicil when they do appauling things like not paying the Rents they owe through the Rental Agreement, (Another peice of paper not worth the paper it's wrote on) You do nothing ? However I will say, you arranged it to be knocked off the future resort fees ! Not the same as Action though ! Owners ask your Legal club to take on their fight for Money Back ! They get told to go elsewhere as your legal group doesn't take up big challenges, or anything legal ! Only the small ones they can win !!!
Tecnicil admit, they have not paid all their share of there resort fees ! Yet is Action Taken ? You guessed it.... Is it any the wonder Tecnicil just do anything they feel like doing ! What would happen if the Accountants found anything wrong ? Nothing, simply because that would mean taking action with Tecnicil !!!

When is a Legal Group not a Legal Group ? When it's Andy's !!!

If you had put up the same fight with Tecnicil as you have with me, I doubt you or the owners would be in the position they are in now !!!


Post what you want ... I'm past replying to you now ....

Buckie

I see you only pick on one point that you say was not correct and I'd even debate that one with you! You said red tape and finance prevented you opening a business, that sounds like failure to me. Still, at least you bounced back with that forum of yours, you know the one with 3 members all from your family, and the picture of that random bloke who you claimed was you!!

The fact that all of the other points were true is relevant, you say it's me taking things off topic, I'd say it's pointing out what sort of character you are and what your family's motives have been about. Your whole family's behaviour is most odd.

You say I'm here to stop you posting bad, negative or whatever. Far from it, just tring to stop you posting lies, incorrect facts and dangerous advice which may affect others adversely.

Post something that is the truth and I'd jump at the chance of actually congratulating you.

As for what we've achieved with Tecnicil, we've done plenty, it's the not knowing and being excluded from VVOG that drives you mad, you're a forum obsessive.

It's also amusing seeing you trying to get the information on the arbitration hearing. All those friends and informants you talk of, yet you're in the dark on that and so many other matters.

Glad you're not going to respond to me any longer, I wonder how long that will last? As long as your farewell a few months ago? As long as your goodbye for 8 weeks recently? You really are just an attention seeker who is inclined to sulk like an 8 year old girl frequently when you try to spread your poison yet are then corrected and put in your place.

Just in case you stick to your not replying - missing you already!

P.S. Never found that clause in the contract re ownership I guess?

cape verde and anything to do with cape verde is corrupt ,developers ,govenment ,everything

Buckie

Don''t think it was just enquiries about the rental of a unit you failed on after all Worwilly your son posted the following:

Mc what sort of paper work is needed to bring over a 80' boat to do island tours, fishing and charters to learn people to cruise ? My Old man’s getting himself in a lot of bother getting so many different versions of what he has to do to do it ? cheer's ...

*** To forum Admin & Buckie, ***
I have been asked to post the following, the authenticity of the text and sentiments can be readily verified by contacting Rosemary De Rougemont at NDR directly, +44 (0) 1628778566 / This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

I suggest that a Conference Call be set up between myself, Buckie and one third party who will be there to take minutes of our conversation. The Minutes will then be approved by both Buckie and myself, and as far as it does not break any Client Confidentiality Rules be published on line.

I have an address on Skype and would suggest we use this medium if convenient to all concerned.

Incidentally I have just returned from Cape Verde, went to visit the site and had meetings with Tecnicil, so would consider myself as up to date as I can be.

I am around next week so let me know of a convenient time and date so we can arrange the conference call.


*** To Buckie, ***
A perfect opportunity for you to convey your views regarding ‘Solicitors in CV and those used here, and in Europe, are or appear to be useless in Cape Verde, with Cape Verde Law’ in addition to the validity of title deeds that Vila Verde owners currently hold.

*** To Readers of this forum thread, ***
If you’re waiting for the outcome of the above meeting minutes from the above conference call, please forgive Buckie as he’s currently very busy defending his own legal prowess with those that doubt his integrity and sincerity.
However if you cannot wait for Buckie you may wish to discuss Buckie’s claims regarding the validity of an escrita / Cape Verdean property title deed with:
Rosemary De Rougemont www.nevillederougemont.com/team_detail.php?zID=1
Contracts www.nevillederougemont.com/practice.php?aID=135
Conveyancing www.nevillederougemont.com/practice.php?aID=66

*** WARNING – PLEASE, PLEASE BE PREPARED TO BE ADVISED BY A SENIOR PARTNER OF AN INTERNATIONAL LAW FIRM (with an UK office also) THAT OUR BELOVED BUCKIE IS TALKING THROUGH HIS REAR ORIFICE, GOB SMACKINGLY SHOCKING I KNOW! ***

Boat building company.. FAIL

Did I not read something about a floating restaurant or bar, he even posted a photo of some old rusty tub, what ever happened about that ? FAIL ?

what about the company, Buckie INC ? FAIL ?
Oh and lets not forget the website and forum, you know the one that had many members, huge number of internet hits, oh yes and not one post .FAIL ?

What was Buckie INC ? was it a real company or just something that was made up ?

Got one
Wasn’t the Eco self build consortium successful.
No sorry I just remembered, no it never happened.

Raoul Duke, I'd like to take the oppertunity to thank you for bringing to light the amount of efforts and thoughts I had in breaking into the CV business sector !

All the enquiereries I made all led to one conclusion and that was CV had but one goal to anyone making enquireries in setting up a business, that being, to rip you off.

The only one in question I gave serious consideration too was the Self Build, to build luxuary Villas for a fraction of the price developers were charging. That venture I feel would have benefited all involved and would not have led to the misery now being seen with just about everyone who purchased there !

I or any member of my family has not bought or put down any deposits on any property out there, (despite what some claim) as I learned very early on that developers would not answer certain questions and the reasons for that then, has now materialised into the buying process was indeed a Con ! Owners are now tied into Developers that can and do anything they want to do, as can be seen with the stories on all forums.

I consider I was very Lucky to have not been conned into buying as those Contracts and Agreements used to sell such properties, have been shown to be worth nothing and Developers show a blatant dissregard for the clauses in the Contract that were there to protect the buyer ! The Rental Scheme too, portrayed as a Guaranteed 5% deal, was never paid to those in the scheme ! Owners are helpless as shown when things happen despite paying into a legal fund to fight the developer on such issues ! Yes I consider myself Lucky, yet some critisise me for not buying ? It makes you wonder their Aganda here !

So thanks for outlining the misery I could be enduring now if I hadn't stopped and thought how things were going to turn out !!!

Eye Opener ? You yourself can read, and will have read that ownership clause. NDR will have read it themselves. Now since they are willing to go to such lengths to tell me what you own, ask them to put in writing that they will Guarantee that, that clause means YOU OWN the Apartment, as we know it in the UK, by means of Ownership of Walls, Floors, Ceilings, and that you Own an equal partial share of the Block, and the Land it is on ? I fear they will not. Simply put, if they would, it would have been wrote into the contract in the first place !!! ...and not just the apartment number and block !!!

Carol ? If that is not an enquiery, What is it ?
My Son mailed someone to ask him what paperwork is needed to undertake a charter business ? Peter in here thought it a great idea too, so fail too see how it's not an enquiery ? As it turned out with all the information I did get it looked like they were making it up as they went along ? Each time you needed a different set of paperwork and each and everytime the cost escalated, so that was another enquiery.

If I had brought the boat over, filed all paperwork and set up the business then say got no work from it, and say had tocome home. I guess then some could say I failed in that business !!!

JBR... I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY, AND IF MOST INVESTORS WERE HONEST WITH THEMSELVES, THEY WOULD SAY THE SAME. IT'S THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO FOOL AND CONVICE THEMSELVES AND OTHERS OTHERWISE !!!

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