Tut Tut, and none of you willing to just post it and silence me claim !

One little clause about 6 lines and you fail to post it ! I guess that says it all ...

Andy as for begging ! I asked that person to send it to me again, as, well I guess you know why too ... But hey, You must have threatened him as he and I were on good terms !!!

Blue, there's those that do and those that make claims.... Make my day ! Or Post that clause yourself !!!

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Buckie, I have no idea what clause you are referring too, I own the property no one else except my wife of course. I have read the contract many times before completing and it has been read by people with legal qualifications both here and in Sal.

Perhaps you are better qualified ?

Do give me some more info.

For a person who has no intention of purchasing anything in CV it is very strange for any person to act in this manner and start to libel people in this way.

1st warning. Buckie

Blue, you say you have read your contract many times, yet refuse to say & Post exactly what is wrote as to your ownership !

Rather than making threats, Post that simple clause, as for you not knowing what I'm referring to ? It's the part that states what exactly you are buying ! You will find it states, you are buying/own Apartment XXX on Community XXX and nothing else.

Use your legal group... might as well get some use out of it

Buckie,
Do you know what an Escritura is and looks like? Sounds like you dont. There arn't any clauses.

Buckie the contract is clear I and my wife own the apartment. Its the same throughout the world we have many friends who have apartments Villas or town houses around the globe Vila Verde is no different than any other and in particular no different from Portugal. I know what I have purchased.

As a person who has never bought in any other country all of a sudden you seem to be an expert. The only thing your good at is trying to get other people to examine your mad theories in the hope you would be able to profit from any possible gain without taking any risk yourself.

I stated sometime ago that you had an agenda and I was proved right, encouraging people to go for money back, I have always maintained it was folly while you sat back while other people spent there hard earned cash, you must be laughing your socks off that you never spent any money and profited from other peoples misery.

Buckie

Firstly, you say that someone was going to send you some information but they didn't. You then say that this surprised you as you were previously on good terms with them, so you claim that they didn't do so as I must have threatened them! I'm not the mafia Buckie, perhaps these people didn't really like you as much as you thought, or perhaps they were made up like your other imaginary friends, or the people who offered you free holidays?

You keep asking for one of us to post what is written in a certain clause in a contract, claiming that you say it merely states that your are buying/own XXX apartment in XXX community. If that's what it states, then why are you asking? Also if you're certain it states that, then surely you must have it, so post it.

I have asked you to describe the various stages from promissory contract to Escritura and what each contract and document will include. I see very conveniently that you are dodging that, which is what you do on every subject that you're challenged on, which is everything you post.

If you can demonstrate that you have the intellect to discuss the property purchasing process, then maybe I would engage in conversation with you in a meaningful manner. However, as I keep saying, I don't like you, so do not feel inclined to just educate you at your will, as you do not go about things in the correct manner in my opinion.

You only do this for your agenda and attention Buckie.

Could it be that Buckie is confusing leasholds with freeholds?

Markman

I doubt he would know the difference, or indeed the implications of a flat being freehold or leasehold in this country, let alone abroad!

According to a post yesterday, we have timeshares that we have for 52 weeks a year. Sounds a bit selfish to me, not much sharing going on!!

Buckie, just post the clause, or admit you don't have it.

Buckie, just post the clause, or admit you don't have it. ????????

I thought you tell everyone all of my family have contracts with vila verde ?

S which is it ?

Buckie,
The point is your family did not complete and therefore you have no completion documents or Escritura, that is why you want to view real owners documents.
You have no idea what the documents contain or what they look like. You've just made you little story up.

Buckie

As Peter says, you can post what is on the original promissory contract, as your family would have got that far.

You've already said it just states XXX apartment on XXX community, so why do you keep asking if you already know?

What you don't know is what is on the documents after that. As I have already said, state those documents and what you would be expecting to see on them as the experienced overseas buyer that you are and I'll discuss with you what's on mine.

Come on, you know the process inside out don't you? Or are you just fishing to help out your family for free again? A bit like when you pushed others to arbitration to give your family a free test case!

From the heading “What Next “ to the lay back wanting someone else to take over the resort ! You’d have thought for clarity you guys would have posted that simple clause that you now claim means nothing now, as the Escritura is the document to have, you still refuse to even show it… ?

So this ends the same as the last time it was brought up, although things have developed somewhat since then with the water and electric not being paid … So as the title of this thread …. What Next for Vila Verde ?

As already pointed out, the snowball affect could bring this resort to it's knees and the legal fund builds ?

Buckie,
We have plenty of clarity. You are the one trying to muddy waters by making up stories. Read your posts back to yourself and you will see what everyone else reading sees.
You try to sensationalise minor or non exists tiny issues.
You completely fabricate stories
Any comment about anything on this forum you steer to Vila Verde.
Your a complete fruit loop!

Buckie

Do you or don't you have the clause? If you don't actually want to post it, then why not just post the number of the clause that you're asking about, just to prove that you're not making it up. You still also are unable to describe any of the other documents and what information would be contained within them. You just don't know do you?

I'm sure that you realise by the fact that no buyer on VV gives you any information regarding anything including arbitration, how you are thought of. You even say that is due to me! No Buckie, take a look in the mirror for the problem.

We all appreciate your completely insincere concern, however we are managing very well without your expert advice and are very pleased that we have our own forum to discuss matters without disruption from you and your crazy family.

We will no doubt have challenging times ahead with VV and Tecnicil, all buyers are aware of that. But we are organised, intelligent, and all want the best for each individual. You however do not, you want misery for all owners and rub your hands together at the hint of any bad news. That to me is very sad.

If as you say I'm this fruity loop, mad man with this sinister agenda that no one has told of. No one reads my posts, to no one cares what I post...

YOU FEW AMEGOES DO.... and so much so, to stop and shut the thread/post down ?

Setting what you own aside, as that's clearly going nowhere and was only brought up with your attitude you'd prefer to sit back and watch Tecnicil fail ! All I said was be careful what you wish for !!!

You said you were managing the situation 6 months ago ? Yet now it's clear with water and electric not being paid, you must know this is going to end with the grounds going to dust ! YET YOU STILL DO NOTHING ? What's that legal fund for then that you try and persuade everyone to join ? It's not that useless paper trail with the accountants is it ?

You'd think that money would be better spent on trying to turn VV around by taking action rather than sitting back and watching as you put it !

I'm going out myself soon so will see the extent of the mess that appears to be happening out there now !

Buckie

You are so full of bright ideas aren't you?

Please tell us how you are so well qualified to advise 600 people who have all achieved enough in life to purchase 2nd properties (or 3rd plus) abroad.

What I know about you so far:-

You think you are king of the world because you have a flat in the North East which is worth a whopping £160,000 according to you.

You have no properties abroad.

You have a family who bought on Vila Verde but could not complete as their financial circumstances changed.

You failed to open a business in Cape Verde due to red tape and it was too expensive for you.

Your family have been thrown off Cape Verde forums, you then started your own, which failed.

You have constantly scaremongered and posted incorrect facts and lies on Cape Verde websites.

You told everyone involved in arbitration against Tecnicil that they would have a guaranteed win and get their money back, but Tecnicil won the case!

I could go on, but do you not see why we choose to do our own thing and not listen to you?

I am not blowing my own trumpet (as Rumple will think), but when I compare where I am in life compared to yourself (and I am much younger) I have the opposite of all of your failings.

I have successful businesses (all of them), I have a five bed, 3 baths detached home, for just myself and my wife. I have a 4 bed, 3 baths detached villa in Spain overlooking the sea with it's own pool. I have a place in Cape Verde. I have been involved in 4 property purchases abroad, along with many here in the UK. I have just bought myself a nice new 4X4 this week as I wanted something bigger than my Porsche (which I also still kept as it's fun to drive). I told people that arbitration against Tecnicil would not give guaranteed money back - I was right.

Due to where I am in life and my experiences and achievements, I don't tend to look for others for advice, I consider my own judgements are doing ok. However, I appreciate that at times, I need to look at others experience and expertise. I tend to look up in those cases, at others who have achieved more than I have. I don't tend to take advice from those who I feel have nothing of value to add.

I hope that explains things fairly clearly?

As for our legal group, legal fund, thank you, it is all in good order. We will use our funds and strength when we feel the time is right. Perhaps you feel that we should take Tecnicil to court now. Perhaps that might take 2/3 years, cost us a fortune with no result at the end of it. Perhaps we should let Tecnicil burn themselves out, let VV go to dust for a while, then use our funds to put things right? We know what our strategy is, please believe me when I say this, your opinion on what we should do means nothing, it is worthless, so why do you keep chipping in as an outsider? We all own properties on VV, we will do what is best for us.

Thanks for at least trying though, but your motives are not as you say.

Buckie,

Isn't it surprising that no one will help you out by sending you the copy of either the escritura or the promissory contract with all your friends and contacts you claim to have. As owners we don't have to prove anything to a complete stranger who libels owners and has failed in so many ways

Yes the legal fund is building a nice insurance policy to have should we need it, which some people have and got the results they have deserved or legally entitled to. I'm sure you will comment on that your so predictable.The fact is you know nothing of the process or what has been achieved.

Andy, I’ve never heard so much tosh in all my life ! Salesman’s patter is what we call it up here in the North !

From someone 4-5 months ago who couldn’t afford another property on VV, 2 bed penthouse, for was it 32K ? You’d buy another one, you wouldn’t …. Yeh Even if your Day dream life style were true, the way you talk is that all owners enjoy this no worries lifestyle ? Such a smug attitude in such times owners are paying mortgages for properties without any rental from Tecnicil, even if Tecnicil did rent them out !

The true Facts of the matter is, Tecnicil laugh in your face with your silly Accountants and Solicitors, they even have the cheek to say, why should we pay resort fees… Let the stupid Brits pay them of course led by Andy up front ! Tecnicil still hold the votes on the properties they have in their control even so they don’t pay the fees on them ? Worse still, owners allow it ?

Did I not warn you 8-10 months ago of the whole blocks in darkness at night and the lawns with bald bits ? Then it turns out Tecnicil aren’t even paying the Electric or Water bills…. I guess it sort of sums up Tecnicil, paying those same bosses huge wage packets still and claiming we have no money ! Worst of all, Owners do absolutely nothing about Tecnicils refusal to pay resort fees, or anything else for that matter, while the legal fund sits there ?

You’d think the Room Only deal would have taken off by now if there was any demand for it, yet again nothing is happening to change this policy. How on earth can Vila Verde get any better while this attitude exists ? No one want room only deals in those numbers anymore, in fact, there was never such a demand for room only on Sal in any case, as small hotels always had rooms available !

Sitting back and doing nothing is not a choice here, Vial Verde gets older each year without any guests, despite what Andy says. Things will only get worse if you allow this this happen, the water will dry up, and the grounds will be ruined, Blocks will become vandalised in the Darkness, you can see this with the Vila area now ! …. Hence the title of this topic “What Next” In another few years they may hand it over to Social housing as everyone will have walked away !

Blu, the reason no one will as you say “help me out” is you all know I’m right ! The only reason I wanted it was to post it in here ! Something no of you will do, so I’m sure others looking in will see that ! The same goes for proving it to me ? I had the contract before just about everyone ! So I know full well whats in it.

Blu, I made a statement a few years ago now something like “Nothing of any significance has been achieved with Tecnicil” You name one little thing that this super group has achieved against Tecnicil other than getting sun loungers ?

Buckie

I highlighted all of the points about you and myself to give you some indication as to why your posts, predictions, opinions, whatever you call them mean nothing to me.

You are one of life's losers, someone who I would not listen to regarding advice.

Tell me, which of the comments I made about you are untrue?

Then, tell me which of the comments that I made about myself do you think are untrue?

You say I did not buy a 2 bed penthouse for 32k for financial reasons! You only mention that as you would like to try to indicate that this is what a 2 bed penthouse is selling for, which is absolute nonsense. You did the same when you said you were considering buying a studio on Raphis VV. You claim you have never wanted to buy there now, so you clearly were just looking to indicate that a cheap property was the norm, you tried to do the same with the rents.

You are now back onto the VV being used for social housing, and also talking about vandalism, which has not taken place.

You are a despicable character Buckie.

Andy, do you think I post for you ?

Although there was a time you were desperate for my knowledge, the same knowledge your group charge other owners for now !!! Who called who a ledged ?


Get over yourself, to me your nothing but a Salesman ! ... and we all know how they make their money ....