Buckie

When you are an owner on the resort, as I am, you will respond to people like yourself and Rumple in a certain manner. Why? Because I can confidently say that I am more in the know as an owner than you are as someone who has bought nothing, and Rumple who claims to have bought on Dunas via a SIPP.

Furthermore, when you have headed up a large group of owners, as I have, it gives you a very good idea of what is going on and how those owners feel about things.

Also, when I have sat in Tecnicil's offices viewing accounts and seeing bills for water and electric and whether they have been paid or not, as I have, I tend to think that gives me the right to respond to the ridiculous posts that people like yourself and Rumple make.

Perhaps Rumple is just naive, you however have a sinister agenda, or are just an internet troll and you do this for some sort of buzz.

Buckie

I see you have just heavily edited your last post!

It appears that you are just fishing for information again.

Your biggest problem is being excluded from a forum. That's your life, you are obsessive. You say that the sort of information on our site can be found freely on the net, or on here, you are having a laugh right?

Now I see we've got our hands in our pockets again, is that in line with your prediction of our resort fees doubling in 5 years? In reality, they have actually halved in 3, surely nothing to do with our group, our accountants or lawyers?

I see the ridiculous statements continue, now I am the only person paying resort fees on time at Vila Verde! Are you a grown man, or a child? Well if you're right, my 400 euros resort fees for this year, yes that's right 400 EUROS for the year, are going a long way aren't they? Running the resort, and paying back Tecnicil's huge debt according to you.

How about your other comments/predictions? Arbitration guaranteed win for buyers, Vila Verde is to be used as a social housing project, Cape Verde will be responsible for a child's drowning (that was really low Buckie)!

I think the only reason that you're bitter about VV, Cape Verde and the legal system Buckie is due to the situation that you and your family have found themselves in. How long are you going to blame other people for? Take responsibility for your failings, be a man. Oh and stop looking at others with envy.

Sinister Agenda.... Again

I wonder how long they laughed after you left the Offices, after seeing the mickey mouse water bills, and accounts ... Tecnicil have lied from day one, yet your of the opinion they are doing things right and paying such bills ! Did those Accounts show they were paying their fair share of the resort fees ?

The Fact of the matter is, you don't want anything posted in here that puts Vila Verde in a bad light ! The fact is, there is nothing positive to say about Vila Verde is there ? Although your happy to see the resort empty and heading down a route to ruin for some odd reason !!! Or until it affects you ? SELFISH or what ...

The way you talk about other peoples investment and their knowledge of buying in CV .... How has yours done ? Has the returns that Tecnicil told materialised ? have VV properties increased in price ? You want to take a long hard look in the mirror when your sitting in that apartment on that Empty Resort !

But of course you'll not answer anything as you've never done before " Fishing for information" For someone having 4 businesses your quick to reply to anything posted ???

You can Play with yourself now ....

Buckie

You don't like the fact that I am here 'monitoring' your posts and thus pointing out your lies and inconsistencies.

Why do you do it? As said, you have an agenda, and everybody knows that.

The reason that I dislike you and the way that you post is that you fabricate things and lie.

Take your first paragraph of your last post, you now say that I think Tecnicil are 'doing things right' and 'paying such bills'. When I have ever said that 'Tecnicil are doing things right'?

The problem is that people like yourself and Rumple make things up from a position of ignorance. You also sensationalise things, maybe for a bit of entertainment, but I would also guess that you are the sort of people who like to create a bit of drama to try to brighten up your drab lives, everybody knows somebody like that I guess.

You are also right in your last post when you say that I think that you are fishing for information again. Of course I know who has and who hasn't paid fees and whether Tecnicil have ever paid a water or electric bill. So, of course I will correct misinformation on here. The only thing that concerns me is how as a group of owners we deal with such matters.

My guess is that ultimately Tecnicil's incompetence will be their downfall. I think that putting themselves out of business will be a lot easier than a group of owners trying to oust them via the courts, it will be quicker and cheaper to just watch them fail and replace them with new management.

Of course you will probably have your own views, as will Rumple, but do you think anyone who reads either of your comments take your suggestions seriously? You sound like fools when you talk of the current situation and what 'might' be going on. Try to establish the facts and think before you post.

As for my own 'purchase', of course I'm happy with it. I bought an apartment in the sun, it got built and it is lovely. If it is a quiet resort then great, I don't want loads of Thomson holidaymakers, or the 'Agadoo' feel that people like yourself like at the RIU. Of course anybody likes their property to be rising in value, be that abroad or here in the UK, but if money or investment was not your motivation for buying then it shouldn't matter. Do I think buying via a SIPP in CV is a good investment move? No, I don't and I point that out to Rumple, he doesn't disagree with that I see, he knows he's made a mistake, but chooses to shift the attention elsewhere for some reason, maybe to make himself feel better I don't know.

Andy,
Why should I regret my investment. It is in the most successful and profitable hotel complex on Sal, a place where Hilton is investing.
You on the other hand have invested in a business plan whose time has gone, the holiday condominium.
Open your eyes man and look around the place, failure is on every corner. Vila Verde is a monument to the follies of western society, built on borrowed money that no one can now afford. You can see it's like all round the Med. and in Ireland.
Also it is impossible to turn Vila Verde around as The Resort Group had the good sense to turn their resorts around and involve a hotel chain.
Also, as you admit, nothing can possibly change while Tecnicil are in charge. They wont let it go without a fight. And before the do the fight will get ugly, and so will Vila Verde.
No personal attack in this, see if you can manage the same.

Andy, get over yourself … You are the one who patrols this forum in case anything should appear regarding VV !!!
Why do I do it ? I’m still waiting for you to tell the world what Agenda I have ?
You love the word games you play on here to defend yourself. You firstly say say you sit in Tecnicils office and imply Tecnicil are paying such bills, implying Tecnicil are doing it right, then say you didn’t say that ! You think others don’t see this ?
Sensationalise things… Because you don’t think it needs Posted you think others don’t want to see it thus trying to act as a moderator. If you want to do that, do it in your own forum and not in here !!!

Be careful what you wish for !!!
If you sit back and watch Tecnicil Fail on their own…. Who owns the resort ? Tecnicil
The New OWNER will read the contract you have as it is written ! …and that’s not be bringing this old chestnut up again, anyone can read their own contract and the wording of it. You know this.

As for Investment... I know where I would invest and VV would be the last place !

Buckie

I'll start with you.

How many times do I need to say what your agenda is? Cape Verde's development from the undiscovered place you loved, your failing to open a business there due to finance and red tape, your family putting deposits down on VV then being unable to complete due to unfortunate changes in circumstances. You wanyed a piece of the action, but it didn't work out for you, now you are bitter and twisted. You display this by yourself and members of your family swarming CV forums, getting thrown off some, posting under numerous names, starting your own forum that failed, even hiding your identity due to libel problems. Is that all not a bit obsessive and odd?

I'd like you to cut and paste where I've ever said Tecnicil are doing things right? I will however say that claims made by yourself and Rumple of such outstanding bills, and bills having never been paid are way off the mark. Firstly, from my point of view, I have been in Tecnicil's offices and been through things like water and electric bills. Secondly, are you really both that naive to think if bils hadn't been pid for so long and so much was owing that Tecnicil would still be being supplied? I just ask you to think about it as sensible adults before you make such ridiculous statements.

Buckie, as for your ownership comment, yes, of course I would reply with 'that old chestnut'. You will post ANYTHING that you think will hit back at Tecnicil for what has happened to your family. Remember your 'VV to be used as social housing, and resort fees to double in 5 years', I could go on and on.

I stand by everything I say about you, agenda, bitter, twisted, obsessive, a bit sad so need forum conversation. How else do you explain all the posts and comments from you, when you claim to have no involvement?

Rumple

Let's start with your investment. If you are happy with what you have invested in then great. Personally I think the route you have gone down is a disaster. Why? Because even by your own admission you have no idea on what returns regarding yield that you will achieve and you have a capital asset that has decreased and is decreasing further in value. In my opinion there would have been many better choices closer to home, but I imagine sales talk about returns and emerging markets drew you in.

As for your comments regarding VV, I maintain that previously you were out of order and misleading with your comments regarding the communal pools and gardens.

However, I agree with you that Tecnicil should have got someone else in to manage the resort, and still believe that would be better for all involved.

You say that Tecnicil would not go without a huge fight, I disagree, I think they see the benefit of the resort running better as they have lots of units still in their hands that they could make available for rent, or have a better chance of selling if the resort was thriving.

I think that the bigger issue is who will take it on, on terms that are agreeable to both parties.

Agenda, because I “looked” at setting up a business but decided not too ? Agenda are you for real ?
I don’t know how many times I can say this… NONE of my family have ever put down any type of deposit on any development on CV including Vila Verde. Agenda, no you have to prove I hate CV because of the Facts posted about a place you bought on !!! The fact is you have to show this to hide all that’s wrong with Vila Verde your investment ! After all if they think I’m that bad who will ever listen to me again …. Did you not call me a legend ? or did that only apply when I was feeding you the information you use to charge other members for now on your site !!!

I’ve challenged you and peter to Post the ownership clause on here, nothing else no personal information or anything else, just the ownership clause and both have declined using silly excuses !!! YES that’s what I refer to, are you afraid it will reveal what you really own ?

OF COURSE EVERYONE IS MISSLEADING BUT YOU !!!

Buckie

You say you have no agenda, yet there you are again questioning whether or not we own our own apartments.

You know damn well that we do, but you are just trying to put doubt out there for some reason. Why don't you put the details of the contract up here that you base your comments on, then give us your interpretation? I mean surely you have something on which to base your allegations?

As for your agenda:

1. You failed to open a business on CV due to red tape and finance required, not because you chose not to, you admitted that yourself. Furthermore you have even taken a swipe at Italians who are dong well obver there, you ae a green eyed monster.

2. Your son said both he and his sister had bought on VV, yet they did not complete as they were unable to due to changes in financial circumstances. Yo say that is not true and you don't have a daughter! Does that all not sound like odd behaviour from one family?

3. You said that VV fees would double in 5 years. They haven't. thet have halved in 3.

4. You said that VV was going to be used for a social housing project. I'm guessing that was just to try and scare eople right?

5. You said that it was only a matter of time before a child drowned there!!

Tell you what, in your next post, don't give us all flannel, just deny points 3, 4 and 5, then I'll cut and paste those posts and comments you made.

You could also deny that your on failed website had a picture with your name under it, but it wasn't you! Barking mad you are Buckie, and a bit sick.

Over to you Mr No Agenda!

If I'm wanting to put doubt in others mind then you posting that single clause will prove I talk rubbish but you STILL don't ? Why is that ? Is it you know I'm right ... After all, everyone can simply read their own contract, can't they ?

The fact is you have to go off on all this Agenda stuff, to again take this off topic ...

All you own is the space, just like timeshare, although you own the full 52 weeks !!!

Point one of your silly questions...

I decided not to invest in business out there simply because I saw they were out to screw me over ! After all I'd say paying rent at the rate of 6K a month well over the top... Nothing about Agenda !!!

Point 2 will follow as will all other points, lets see if you post that clause !

Buckie

If you are going to cast doubt over the ownership of a property, surely you must have something to base this on. You can't just make a comment like that and expect not to be asked for proof. So please, just post the clause, I can take it, you can shatter my ownership dreams!

I see that you seem to suggest that it is like timeshare, however you own it for 52 weeks a year! Doesn't sound like I'm sharing my time very much does it? That has to be one of your classics of all time Buckie!

So you now admit that you failed to open your business due to money. Plenty of others seem to be running their businesses quite well over there, even those Italians that you resent so much. Fact is Buckie, you know you didn't have what it takes to make it work, just like your website, failed.

What about self build? You said recently it's the only way to go in CV, so how is your house coming along? How's your eco house project? I guess that didn't start either? You are just a dreamer, you live in a fantasy world, you're not cut out for it Buckie, and you envy those who have what you can't achieve.

I see you skipped denying those points that I raised about you. Same way you skipped Peter's question recently, oh and every other time that you're challenged and rumbled.

Eye-opener wrote:

Buckie,

I'm sure that I've said this before, but I will say it again. We owners know what problems lay before us, and there are owners within the group that are more than able to take the powers that be on.

You say, you are you are trying to prevent potential investers loosing money, that does not ring true.

How many potential investers do you think there are at present.

I think your time would be better spent supporting all those that have invested in Cape Verde and seeing it thrive for all concerned, including the locals.

PS. A big thank you to those that bother enough to give up their free time and get distracted.

Yes Andy, as like last time, try and turn it around for me to Post the clause !

I asked you to defend your claim by posting that clause, Eye Opener can post his to if he likes and all it states is you own Apartment XXX on XXX Community !!! Nothing else ...

Post it and Prove me wrong and as for being a smart arse, you wouldn't share it if you owned 52 weeks but its still like a time share where you own nothing but the space, and if a new owner took over the resort, I'm sure they would read the contract for what it is... All Owners read that clause, I'm sure one has the balls to show what you own !

Was a mailer sent out there Andy ?

Buckie,
You are so very embarrassing. You've made a claim and cannot substantiate it in any way shape or form! How very errrrm, embarrassing.

You got the mail too Peter... Hows about you posting the clause what you own ?

Of course your solicitor is going to say what you want to hear... Otherwise they'd be saying they too conned you !

Buckie

You really are desperate aren't you?

I realise that your family still hold out some hope of getting something back from Tecnicil if the units they reserved and couldn't complete on remain unsold, but do you think this is the right way to go about things?

Are you seriously saying that I and another 600 people completed on their units, yet not one of us checked that we actually owned them?

How low can you go? I thought your comment re VV being used for social housing was low, and the one re a child drowning just sick, you can't deny you said those things, you really are a despicable character.

If you are against Vila Verde and Tecnicil and want to stop people buying there, and also want to taunt those who have, why not just keep it factual?

Andy, everyone can see who the desperate one is here !!! A simple clause that reveals no personal details and you will not show it !!!

As for do you think we, owners did not check ! Most never even seen the contract, some had never been to the country and some, like you had a few visits and still signed even though I pointed that clause out to you ! You didn't even know what the fees were until most had handed their money over !

This was one of the questions the Salesmen couldn't answer, I guess they too didn't know as that was kept very quiet ! Still you refuse to Post this clause that only states you own Apartment XXX on XX community !

You still have to try and distract everyone with your personal slurs Deal with the points being raised !!!

Buckie

Are you seriously suggesting that I, along with 600 other buyers all failed to discover or be advised that we don't actually own the units we bought?

Do you not think that out of that number of buyers that maybe just one person would have found out and alerted the rest of us?

You now also suggest that it is YOU who pointed things out to other buyers. This is the same YOU, who constantly begs for copies of contracts and arbitration results, yet nobody sends you anything!!

Do you know anything about promissory contracts and how they differ to what is actually written on an Ecritura? If so, then please explain that to me on here, to show me that you at least have some understanding of the purchase procedure in CV, which is very similar to Europe.

If you are doubting ownership, explain all of the various stages, what each document contains and post the part that is written that had made you make these ridiculous comments.

Come on show us all how much knowledge you have!!!!

Buckie, If you make a claim that we as owners do not own our own properties, then it's up to you to explain why and back up your claims, if all owners dispute your statement as seems to be the case.
This is how a legal case for libel would be conducted. We as owners would dispute your claim and call for damages you would present the evidence, if you could not then damages would be awarded against you. If you did present the evidence ie a contract then we would present our evidence ie our contracts and it would be decided on that basis after viewing both sets of evidence. If contracts differ in anyway then you would of course have to present a contract that would be common to all.

So I for one would be interested in seeing it and of course your interpretation before taking action.