Posted elsewhere !

Vila Verde has been threatened with the cut off of both water and electricity supplies as we hear Electra claims that it is owed 40 million escudos in unpaid bills. With so few people in residence, income from condominium fees must be derisory.

It is hard to tell whether or not it is actually cut off as there are never many lights on in buildings and doubtless there is an emergency generator.

The cost of water for the very extensive and attractive landscaping must be considerable.
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That's the sad reality of those who like the resort "Quiet" !!!

Buckie

Do you ever stop?

You started up another thread the other day to see if you could provoke a reaction and find yourself some conversation on a forum!

Please tell us all, what is this unhealthy obsession all about? You claim to have no connection with CV and you've never bought there. Yet you started your own forum, failed to open a business there, and your son said both he and his sister both put deposits down on Vila Verde, yet they haven't completed, you wonder why people think you are odd, or have some sort of agenda.

Now you have another one of your sly swipes, by saying that those who like the resort quiet are causing this shortage in resort fees. How is that then? If I use my place on VV for one or two weeks a year, yet pay my resort fees in full and on time, how is my apartment being empty nearly all year round (thus being quiet) causing a problem? My resort fees would be the same if I lived there 52 weeks a year, and I'm sure that I would be costing the resort much more by being there.

You really do make no sense, you really need to get a life.

If I can afford to pay a years resort fees and government taxes, yet only choose to use my apartment for a week a year, isn't that my business? Maybe I like the fact that it is there and available to me as and when I like, for as long as I like, if I were say quiet in business and fancied a month away for example. Of course you'll say it would be more cost effective for me to book a weeks all inclusive at your favourite 'palace' the RIU. Do you still not get it? It's the choice I make. I realise you find it hard to get your head around, as it seems an expensive thing to do, but perhaps I can afford it. And PERHAPS that is the problem Buckie, you are a bit of a green eyed monster!

I have the choice Buckie, I can stay in my own place OR the RIU. Do you have the same choice?

No Andy, just posting information that will HELP people still wanting to invest in Vila Verde. The sort of information you would have liked before you bought !!!

It’s purely the fact you don’t want it posted, visible to all…

The reason if you like to call it, why I posted that above was to show the few selfish owner for what they are, and the resort in their eyes stop at their front door !!! I told you people would see you for what you really are ! You remind me of the Community Reps still on Sambala development saying everything’s alright ! Still trying to promote the development, and those that have already bought keep them happy and sweet, so they don’t rock the boat !!!

Why are people paying into your legal group in such a lawless place ? You mocked and sneered when those going for money back lost their case on a technicality ? ….and the fact it’ll take them years to go through the Courts to get any resolve, yet encourage VV members to pay into your Legal Group ? Do you still think your Solicitor can produce the goods when every other could not ?

The VVLG was not involved in the Money Back court case as it is a group for Owners. Were you an Owner you would have access to the VVOG and if you wished the VVLG, as you are not you are commenting from a position of ignorance.

Alyson
Secretary VVLG

Buckie

I will stop criticizing and correcting your posts once you become able to post something factual and correct yourself.

You say that the unpaid water and electric bills on VV are due to the place being quiet! WRONG, it is due to not enough owners of the properties paying what is due, and/or the management company either simply not having enough funds, or not directing funds to where they should be. Surely anybody with an ounce of common sense who is not involved (such as yourself) could work that out for themselves. Instead you just keep posting nonsense, as I said, to provoke reaction.

I see you're back to 'people will see me for who I am' again! Funny Buckie, you've been saying that all along, yet I don't see any VV owners siding with you, despite me according to you leading them all into oblivion. Do you know that you are the most laughed at person that I've ever known?

You now also say that I mocked and sneered at those going for arbitration! Another attempt to try to get people to side with you Buckie? Let's be clear here, the only person I 'mocked' or 'sneered' at Buckie was you. Mocked because you kept posting telling everyone involved that arbitration was a guaranteed win and return of funds, I said otherwise, and who was right?

As for 'sneered', more 'disgust' towards your antics Buckie, as it turned out that you were encouraging others to go for arbitration to give your family a free test case, as you didn't want to risk any more of their/your money. Furthermore, once the results of arbitration were announced, you spent months BEGGING on here for someone to share the information with you! You surely must have realised at that point how little people thought of you?

You stated that our resort fees on Vila Verde would double in 5 years, as amongst other things we would be paying back Tecnicil's debts for them, oh and of course their high wages. In reality, the fees have halved in 3 years, so I would say that the VVLG and lawyers are doing a pretty good job don't you think?

Perhaps if you like I could send you our lawyers details and your son and his sister could try them to get their money back? Mind you, you do know that you'd have to pay them don't you, it's not like the forum, you can't just keep grovelling for, or demanding free information!

As ever, never face what everyone can see and go over the same old crap to hide the facts I post… I say FACTS !!!

The issue of this thread is....

Vila Verde has been threatened with the cut off of both water and electricity supplies as we hear Electra claims that it is owed 40 million escudos in unpaid bills. With so few people in residence, income from condominium fees must be derisory.

It is hard to tell whether or not it is actually cut off as there are never many lights on in buildings and doubtless there is an emergency generator.

The cost of water for the very extensive and attractive landscaping must be considerable.

I don't think readers want to see you going on and on with Personal attacks ! All of which is utter rubbish as I've shown...

The above might explain why full blocks remain in darkness at night !

Alison you too take the stance of your not in our gang so we can't tell you anything !

The question is why are you paying into a legal fund if as you say owners could not use it to "Get money back" ? Also, since it all takes place in such a lawless country how do you think your legal group with your solicitor can do what every other solicitor could not do ? Are you not just wasting money ? As if you should have to challenge anything, how long would it take you to get through the Court System never mind winning ?

Lets take this step by step to keep it simple.
What does the number of people in residence have to do with condominium fees?
I'm dying to hear this one!

Hi Peter

Yes, I've already mentioned that one to Buckie, but let's hear his answer.

Now he also talks about why full blocks remain in darkness at night! How can there be any 'full blocks' Buckie tells us it is a 'ghost town'!

It's also nice to see that Vila Verde's extensive and attractive gardens get a mention, I have been telling Buckie that for ages!

Buckie you consistently contradict yourself and also show a complete lack of knowledge, or common sense.

I was right at first, it is just another attempt to fill some of your time by starting another thread, to provoke a reaction. Your very own failed forum was exactly the same during the short time it was live, lots of pointless thread titles, all with your name as the first and only poster.

As for the personal attacks as you call them, you never denied that your son and his sister had said that they'd bought on VV. You also never denied that you failed to open a business in CV. You also never denied that on that failed website of yours, you introduced yourself with a picture of someone who actually wasn't you!! I just think it is worth pointing out to people that you are (and this is me being kind) 'slightly odd', and what agenda lies behind your posts.

Peter, as usual if you had been following you would have known we or I was not talking about the number of owners. It was about the attitudes of such owners where the resort stops at their front door ! I mealy said having that approach has its consequences, yet certain members still said they prefer the resort that way. I said having that approach will be devastating for the resort and hey presto The above !!!

Do you still prefer it quiet and empty ?

As for Andy, how many times do I have to answer your silly smears... Take the time and look back, ALL issues were FULLY answered...

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE... without an agenda !!! Just you don't want it in here, especially if it refers to Vila Verde !!!

The way a Condominium works Buckie is when you go to Deeds, you become liable for your fraction of the fees based on the floor space you own. If Owners don't pay their Condominium fees their Block is cut off unless an Owner who has paid their fees is in residence.

Buckie

No, you have never answered anything truthfully.

You still don't get it with the resort fees do you? The running costs are based on actual and estimated, then split between all of the owners. That is irrespective of whether the resort is full or empty, or if an owner never uses their place or stays there all year round.

So again, I will tell you, if there are unpaid water and electric bills, then either not all owners are paying, or funds are being misused by the management. As for what is the answer......

If the place was full, then there would be more water and electric being used, and other costs would also be higher, cleaning, waste disposal etc etc.

Have a think, perhaps in a dark room, take a deep breath, then post something that makes sense.

I pay my fees, I have no problem with water and electric in my own apartment as I am responsible for my own supply thus bills. Every time I have been to VV, I have never had any problems with no lights in communal areas or gardens not looking great due to lack of water. On that basis I have no complaints, if that changes then of course I may have complaints, but I'll cross that bridge IF it ever happens rather than 'supposing' about is as you seem to do, which is rather odd as you are not an owner as I am.

If you want to know again how I prefer VV, yes, I still personally prefer it quiet. IF I want to be packed in like a sardine with Thomson holidaymakers, as stated yesterday I could choose to go to the RIU instead of my apartment. Do you have that choice?

Buckie, you have still not answered simple step 1. You said (twice now):

Vila Verde has been threatened with the cut off of both water and electricity supplies as we hear Electra claims that it is owed 40 million escudos in unpaid bills. With so few people in residence, income from condominium fees must be derisory.

What has the number of people in residence got to do with condo fees or electricity fees being paid? Or did you just make up that whole statement?

Peter I have already posted what you asked !

The number of owners in residence has nothing to do with this issue !!!

The posting of that Post, from another site ! was to show and prove a point I was making with those that prefer the resort Empty !

With the resort STILL like a ghost Town gives no revenue to Tecnicil to pay such bills. The few paying their resort fees barley pays for the Security and general up keep of the resort !

It makes sense that water and electric bills remain unpaid if there is no one paying the fees, Andy's fees might pay for a couple of hours security each week on his property ! But as he says, he's not bothered as long as he's alright... When it does affect his, he says he'll be spurred into action... By then it'll be too late ...

In case you missed it...That Post is taken from another site !

Buckie,

With the resort STILL like a ghost Town gives no revenue to Tecnicil to pay such bills. The few paying their resort fees barley pays for the Security and general up keep of the resort

How does the resort not being busy have any effect whatsoever on this? Condo fees are paid by owners and that is what covers these costs. If these bills are unpaid it is as Andy has stated, either not everyone has paid their fees and/or the money has been misused.

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By putting the statement 'posted elsewhere' in front of stuff you've cut and pasted from other forums or websites, do you really think that removes any responsibility from you the poster?
Admit it, you just tried to sensationalise something from nothing trying to make people believe that something other than condo fees paid these bills.

Peter, get over yourself... IT'S NEWS !!!

This 'sensationalise something' is News to some, say someone daft enough to invest in Vila Verde at the moment !



This is a forum for sharing information, you say I only post Negative stuff, well why don't you post the Positive stuff ? If you can that is ...

The heading is "WHAT NEXT" would you care to guess ?

Well, how strange, none of you Vila Verde people want to address the obvious problems that Buckie's post raises.

Like how good will the gardens look when the water has been cut off.
Like how can anyone rent out properties or holiday themselves if essential supplies cannot be guaranteed.
Like how the hell do Tecnicil raise 40 million euros.
Like how the hell did the bill get so high, they must never have paid anything.
Almost any response other than the ones you have come up with would have been more appropriate, but hey lets just shoot the messenger instead.

Rumple

According to you only a week or two ago all the gardens were in a poor state, as were the pools. But they weren't were they, only the private one's which you were trying to get me to pay for!

You state that Tecnicil owe 40 million in unpaid bills. Do you really believe that? Do you not think that they might have been cut off at say 1 or 2 million?

You also say they must have never paid anything! So they haven't paid anything for what, 5 years? Yet they are still being supplied!

You really are gullible Rumple, I said that when I heard about you getting talked into buying a place on Dunas via a SIPP! Please tell me, you were winding us all up, you didn't really choose that as a form of investment did you? No yield and minus capital growth?

Am really beginning to wonder about you Rumple, I said before that you had poor judgement. First the SIPP, then you were one of the only people on Buckie's failed website, now you believe that Tecnicil haven't paid a bean for 5 years, owe 40 million, yet are still being supplied with water and electric!!

Priceless you are Rumple, you must live in the same world (or probably flat) as Buckie!

Are you his wife? His son who he claimed never bought on VV. His daughter who he claims he doesn't have, Buckie himself as Worwilly now posts as Buckie?

AS for Buckie, he's now trying to distance himself from his original post as usual. Now claims it was someone else's words we're questioning. Don't think so Buckie, rumbled again!

Now my maths isn't great, but 40 million Escudos is about €360,000, so a big bill if its true. Now Rumple you seem to have caught the lets sensationalise everything bug from Buckie.
Come in guys, can't you rant about something in the Daily Mail or write letters to your local paper like most loonys do in their spare time?

Peter

Rumple states it is 40 million EUROS not ESCUDOS. Says Tecnicil must have never paid anything EVER. Very lenient Electra are don't you think?

Perhaps that's why Rumple invested his pension money into CV. When those nice men who weren't salespeople (or de-authorised ex financial advisers), were telling him about the millions he would make he didn't realise they were talking Escudos, he thought they meant Euros!

There goes Andy again with the Personal stuff !!!

I wonder why ... What Next ? with the Solicitors that produce nothing, and the Accountants who again produce nothing as Tecnicil will not allow them anywhere near the real Accounts ! Your forced to pay into a Site that gives information that's freely available on the net if you look... most in here !!! Then they try and get you to pay into a Legal Group to do what ? Exactly ... If for any reason you had an issue and wanted to take legal action who do you think would win ? If it ever got to Court

I wonder why this legal group has never taken Tecnicil to Court for non payment of resort fees ?

They dictate clauses in the contract to owners yet they ride high over any clause they like, again, no action taken ....

So why pay into a legal group ? Come to thin about it why pay into the Owners Group too ...

One thing for sure ... Owners hands are never out of their pockets !!!

2 years on and still a ghost town, yet all other developments seem to be full ? The selfish ones prefer it that way, EMPTY, I wonder how long a Empty resort can last with only Andys paid on time fees paid ! Hence the question WHAT NEXT ....