Buckie

You keep going on about the contract you are reading and how it is worded.
Once again I will say to you, put that wording on here and your interpretation of it, in order that it can be discussed.
I don't believe you have such a contract, or if you do that you are able to read it correctly.
Put up, or shut up. Stop speculating and scaremongering from a position of ignorance.

My point exactly, you are always quick to post but heres your chance to go head to head with as you put it one of these usless solicitors and your not making that call. I did not put you down as a bottle merchant Buckie.

Hey Buckie, your daughter wasn't the singer out of Bucks Fizz by any chance? I know she got her deposit back.

Hacker your wrong on both accounts LOL

A deal was struck for her to keep her property on VV. She talked openly about it on a program about her financial property Investments & decisions some time ago !

Andy, I don’t keep bringing this up ! Most of the Time I’m replying to someone asking, there is a difference !!!

Andy, I asked YOU First here, to post that simple clause on here some weeks ago now and you refused ! You refused simply as you know I’m right… You try and turn it around now, to make me out to be the Villain here ??? Just post it if your so confident !!!

I’ll ask again, YOU to post that Clause that’s in YOUR Contract, and let everyone see and read the way it’s worded !!! Yes it has to be YOURS !!!

If you don’t, then we’ll assume I am right and the wording itself is as in YOUR Contract, is as it is to me, and means you own jack !!! An apartment number in a community block.

No description what so ever of what is actually Owned !!!

You seem to hold this Contract in some esteem Andy ? Despite what has happened with the Contract in the past with parts being just dismissed from it and other parts added into it ? In CV, everyone is learning, you’re on your own out there now, and anything can happen !


Solicitors will take your money and tell you they'll do this and that, but end up doing nothing except charging you more and more ! Well all Solicitors except your Andy eh ?


Rotti, I’ll ask again,

What would be achieved with having such a discussion with a Solicitor who on the whole has achieved nothing as with Money Back over all those years ?
What has been achieved by any of the Solicitors out there ? The truth is, they wanted the easy money work with the Sale and when problems started they promised everything and charged even higher rates to achieve this, then achieved nothing !

I’d only be told what you guys have been told over the years ! Or are you expecting those Solicitors to now tell the truth, and say over those years they have been incompetent in CV, and those Contracts everyone holds as security and those very same Solicitors passed as legal binding Contracts, are in fact worth Nothing, and can be changed whenever a developer wants too ?

Cape Verde has a good legal system, on par with Portugal, yet none of those Solicitors can achieve anything out there ?

Buckie

You keep saying that you are not happy with the wording in the contract over what we own.

I will say again, prove you have those words and contract in front of you, put them on here, along with your interpretation of them.

I see you keep asking me to provide this. Is this you demanding more free information or advice? A bit like urging others to go to arbitration with their money at risk, in order to see a test case for your families benefit!

Yes Andy, mock the arbitration process ...
YOU know full well the contract and it's clauses should be taken as they are printed in the Contract ! They are there to protect you as why else would you even need the Contract when buying ? So mock all you want those going to Arbitration have that right !!!

I take it your not going to post this clause here as you know how everyone will read and interpret it here !!! That's your contract were taking about here as there were a few contracts given out, but yours in particular here is the one in question !

It states, You own Apartment X on Community X NOTHING ELSE !!!

There is no description about anything you own at all. Bearing in mind what you have just posted on the other thread... and the way the Double Money back clause was handled, how do you think a new buyer of VV would interpret your ownership clause ? If anything like that was ever likely to happen in the future ? Or are you saying the clause is much sounder than Double Money Back ?

Cape Verde has a good legal system, on par with Portugal, yet none of those Solicitors can achieve anything out there ?

Buckie, Cape Verde does not have a good legal system at all when compared to the UK style of system. Portugal is renown for having a poor, expensive and slow legal system even though it was overhauled AFTER Cape Verde independence..

Buckie

You don't have the contract or wording do you?

Prove otherwise and post it on here, show us that you are not just scaremongering again.

As for telling me that I'm mocking the arbitration process and those involved, I guess another attempt of yours to win friends?

Your right Peter ! Portugal is a slow system, like anywhere in Europe I'd say, but it has a good system when you finally get there !
Cape Verde legal system was overhauled and yes, it's slow, but you should be able to get justice when you get there, in the end. BUT YOUR NOT. Something has changed that now and is pulling the country down !

Andy... try all you can, you know I'm right with your refusal, as I'm sure everyone else sees that in you now...
As for friends... Dream on !

Buckie

Same old, same old, 'people will see me for what I am, they'll see that you are right and I'm wrong'!

You are casting doubt over the wording in the contract over what we own on Vila Verde.

Please, prove me wrong, show everyone, post those words in that contract in front of you, plus your interpretation. You don't have it do you? You're just making it up to cause trouble and amuse yourself?

Or, perhaps now that you've urged others to waste their own money going to arbitration, giving you your test case for your family without personal risk or expense, you want to decide whether they should now complete, but this time you want us to do your legal work for you too!

same old, same old

Urge others to waste their money ?

Is it not their right to go to arbitration ?

Is it not the fact that the contract has not been abided by here, by the developers ?

Yet you claim I urge others to all go to arbitration ?

Don’t you think there is a logical thought here and people can think for themselves here and I doubt anyone one of them went to arbitration because I Urged them to !

Does that show you for what you are ?

Andy, the very fact you have not posted that clause shows I’m right … If I were to post any clause no doubt you or other happy members would say that’s an old contract !

In fact that clause is posted in here somewhere, I’ll see if it’s the same as the one I have but I guess anything I post would be an old one, even yours !!!

You yourself refusing to post it shows I am right and it’s worded as you OWN jack !!!

Buckie

It is you that is bringing into question the ownership at Vila Verde.

On that basis, do you not think that it is reasonable that I should ask you why and to post the clause in the contract that you are looking at?

To me, it sounds like you're just fishing for more free information.

Just post the clause, you have the contract don't you? Or is this like the results of te arbitration hearings you don't have those either and it all drives you mad?

I really don't understand your obsession, you should seek therapy.

No Andy, let’s get things into perspective here I am not disputing any ownership issues here !!!

I stated according to the written Contract you owned Jack !

You told me I was wrong and that you had 2 Solicitors look at this Contract (Yes, this same Contract you now say is worthless with the arbitration hearing ?)

I then asked you to post that clause so everyone else could make up their own mind with regards to it … YOU REFUSED


Nothing like the way you try and portray it as … But that’s you all over !

IF you want to settle this once and for all, Post it, and prove me wrong then !!!

Buckie

In the past you have indicated that we don't actually own our apartments, even at one point stating that Tecnicil still own them. So how is that not you 'disputing any ownership issues'?

I asked about our Escritura's and how the bank could loan money to us taking our properties as security, but you failed to answer.

Furthermore, you now claim 'according to the written contract we own jack'!

So, is it not reasonable for me to ask you to back up your claims by putting these clauses on here, which afterall are in a contract which you claim you have in front of you?

Following pushing people to arbitration for a test case for your son and his sister, telling these people it was a guaranteed result, you didn't see the outcome that you wanted for your family. So I guess now, they are considering the other option, ie. completing, yet you want us to do the legal work again for you. Buckie, tell your family to put their hands in their own pockets and stop scavanging on here, preying on others.

Do you not have any VV owner/buyer friens that will give you a copy of the contract or the results of the arbitration hearing? Surely one of the many who you claim offered you free holidays at their place can help you?

There weren't any were there Buckie? You don't have any friends who own on VV? Just a tenant maybe, or ex tenant?

Andy lets end this…

You and all other owners know I’m right here or they would be fighting to prove I’m wrong. After all, all they have to do is read their own contract !

More worrying is The fact you yourself agree the contract is now rubbished, not worth the paper it’s wrote on, with this arbitration hearing failing on such a strong well written clause.

Now ask yourself and every other owner ! If such a strong well explained clause got thrown out ! What would happen to this so called Ownership clause ?

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about the contract reference ownership.
If I go and put a deposit on an off plan apartment in the UK I sign a contract that will detail what and when etc. When the apartment is completed I go to my solicitors, have everything checked etc then hand over money and sign for ownership of the apartment and get title deeds. From the moment I sign and pay for the apartment the contract is completed, over and done with, no longer relevant. It was a prim islet contract. The escritoire determines what you own.

Buckie

You say, you're sure everyone see's that you are right? I guess they base their decision on your accurate calling of the arbitration result, you know, where you said, guaranteed win, floodgates will open!

Are you really that deluded?

You have claimed that we 'own jack', our apartments are not owned by us, but by Tecnicil. I would also add that you once also claimed that VV was to be used as social housing for the locals of Santa Maria, so do I think you have an agenda?

You say all this, based on the wording of a contract that you are reading, so again I will say, put that wording on here, to back up your once again scandalous claims.

If I did not own my apartment, do you think I would have signed?

Of course I signed, I now don't own an apartment on VV, but can use it whenever I like as long as I can put up with the music from the guy who lives next door, he's the sunglaases seller from Santa Maria that Tecnicil put up for free!

You are barking mad Buckie!

Andy again you go into this minefield of Arbitration and mock the facts those people didn’t win when the Contract clearly states they should have !!! I say clearly State, providing they had that right to appeal, and did so in the time frame well specified in here, as I’ve always said !!!

If those entitled to Money had or indeed may still do, it is obvious all others who are entitled to Money Back would follow and go for Money Back ! What's so odd or funny about that ?

Don’t be so smug about this issue … As despite claims, that arbitration hearing, does NOT apply to EVERYONE as some seem to be trying to insinuate, it applies to that Group Only.

Hopefully from that the information will come out that will help others !

The Other Point being. You and all other Owners still have to deal with this disgraceful Developer and I don’t think you’ve seen the worst from them yet !!!

With that case of Arbitration you have seen how that clause was used. Now read the ownership clause and think what a new owner of the development would think of it in such a corrupt place !

You know what would happen. Anyhow, that’s only if the crap hit the fan, I think Tecnicil have to ill treat you lot a little more before they decide to off load the development !


Peter, Buy anywhere and at least you get a description of what it is you have bought even if that description is somewhat exaggerated. Yet you have No such description at all, other than a door number and a block ? In a place where anything goes if your well in with the government it seems ! Yes you own an apartment !!!

Buckie

Tell me, where have I 'mocked' anyone going for money back, or been subject to this disgraceful decision?

Also, tell me where I have said that this decision means that EVERYONE will obtain the same result? How do you know that I don't know the one single reason why this case was lost by the buyers?

You need to start learning to read and by the look of your last post, lay off the bottle, it's very early!

What this decision does say to me, is that people need to be very cautious in parting with more money and risk losing that in an arbitration case. That is what I have said all along, which is very different to your 'guaranteed win and floodgates will open' stance which I have been on here warning people about, along with many other matters when it comes to your dangerous advice.

Perhaps you would be better positioned to give more of your 'words of wisdom' if you'd actually seen the report re the results of arbitration.

The same applies to ownership, show us those words you read on a contract, you know the ones, 'we own jack, or Tecnicil own our apartments', and some might start taking you even a little bit seriously.

I see you happily skipped past the part in my last post highlighting to people that you actually claimed that VV was going to be used to socially house locals from Santa Maria.

No agenda eh Buckie? Whatever!

As an impartial observer over the contract spat between Andy and Buckie i would like to add my two pence worth.

This CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT that is being debated is hardly subject to the official secrets act.

I fail to see the problem of someone putting it on here for all to debate.I take the point that it may only concern those who have bought but it surely would also help those who were thinking of buying.

all the interested parties and amateur lawyers here
could then comment on something that is in black and white.