Buckie post #18238, Re:Thinking of buying on Vila Verde ???

Solicitors in CV and those used here, and in Europe, are or appear to be useless in Cape Verde, with Cape Verde Law !

Buckie, your claim that Vila Verde owners don't own their properties and that solicitors used both in CV and in Europe i.e. NDR in England are 'useless in Cape Verde law'

As I was a tad worried that you may be getting yourself into libel issues I contacted Rosemary de Rougemont at NDR, Berkshire about whether it was ok for you to class her company as 'useless' and that all her clients that used NDR were given bad advice in that in reality they don't own their properties. Sorry but I didn't expect her to be that upset with your claims. Maybe you want to straighten things out with her before she starts her action, she can be contacted on +44 (0) 162877856

www.nevillederougemont.com/offices.php?aID=3

EyeOpener ask her why in over 6 years she has not been able to get her clients’ money back in all this time ? Or going by the contract, Double it ! …. Yes… WHY …

With regards to the matter at hand, maybe you could ask her to post that clause regarding What is STATED YOU OWN In the Contract ? …

It appears you too cannot read yourself (or like most owners, bury their heads in the sand) as you too would know what is printed in your contract and what it States you own ???

Andy, you may mock all you want, but you know too well the devil of the detail is what they go by when the shit hits the fan !!!

I raised this years ago, you have had ample time to get Tecnicil to change this insignificant thing (as you say)

After all, they changed the clause regarding owners being able to rent their own properties out ?

I feel, you asked them to, but they refused, after all, you were going to ask them while on holiday and report back to the forum ! Yet never did ……..

Buckie

You seem obsessed with this topic, I've already answered your question, but you clearly don't see it. Is it like your 100% mortgage comment, it's just something again that you don't understand as you are out of your depth?

Why would what we own be on a Tecnicil contract and if it was how after completion would that be changed, or why would it need to be?

Please answer that last question to try and at least show me and everbody else that you understand what you're talking about, rather than just trying to cause an argument. Just try to give yourself a little bit of credibility.

Also, answer these:-

1. What do YOU think we own? As we as owners know and are happy with it, so what is it that you're not happy with?

2. You previously said that our property is still Tecnicil's asset, how are individuals able to secure finance/mortgages on something that is not theirs?

3. If we do not own the properties as you seem to indicate(!), why do we pay annual property tax? Should we challenge the government over this, stating that we own nothing?

fyi Rosemary is in CV I was in her office at 10am

Andy… On ownership…

I think what you own is exactly what the Contract states you own !!!

I have not said YOUR property is a Asset like you say, once again you mix my words. I asked with regards to what the Contract states, Is your property an Asset of Tecnicil ? Asking and telling you are 2 different things !!!

It is YOU that has not answered the question !!!

According to the Contract and it’s wording, is your property an Asset of Tecnicil ?

I ask this as I asked you to post the wording of the Contract regarding what you own. YOU along with other owners refused to do this. What does that tell you, and all other readers ???

The reason I brought this up, as you say I keep revisiting this issue, is it remains un-resolved from when I asked years ago. The time you said you would ask Tecnicil about it ? Yet you never commented on it on your return ?

The overall reason behind this is not as you say, poison person, Jealous person, Screwball or anything else you’ve called me, it’s simply because the way things are going with Tecnicil, it looks like they will not be there much longer, and any NEW buyer would interpret the Contract as it states, not as you think it means !!!

If you were indeed right, Tecnicil would have no problem changing the wording to mean as you and everyone else think it means !!! The fact Tecnicil will not change the wording, and how the Contract reads should tell you something !!!

That’s all, why bury your heads, you say you have a strong group now, change it ? After all according to you, it’s nothing !

It’s better to be safe than sorry ? However you would rather turn this into I’m some sort of nut for raising this ? Like all other points I raise !

It makes you wonder what else are you “Keeping Quiet” on, as rest assured you would have asked Tecnicil when you were over there ?

As to your other questions, that’s your choice on what you think… I’m pointing out what the Contract STATES you own, not whether or not you owe Taxes !!!

I’d have thought you would have asked your 2 Solicitors to put the ownership in writing to you, but I suspect, they wouldn’t put anything in writing that would come back to them, would they ?Then again they would just tell you “ It’s explained in the Contract “ !!! Why would they comit themselves ?

Buckie

A nice simple straight answer for you.

If you have a copy of the contract in front of you, then you'll know what it states, so why are you asking me?

I have been through mine, have also gone through it with 2 lawyers and on the basis that I was happy with what I owned, signed and now have an Escritura as proof of ownership.

So, tell me, what does the contract that you are looking at state?

Once bought and paid for the contract is no longer valid. The Escritura determines what you own combined with the resort plan. Mine clearly states which fraction I own.
In fact looking at my own title deeds to my home here in UK combined with my neighbours the other day to try and determine where our boundaries ended and council land began, and this was very unclear within about 6'

Did I not read that NDR got money back for clients somewhere.

Buckie wrote:
To forum Admin & Buckie,

I have been asked to post the following, the authenticity of the text and sentiments can be readily verified by contacting Rosemary De Rougemont at NDR directly, +44 (0) 1628778566 / This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

I suggest that a Conference Call be set up between myself, Buckie and one third party who will be there to take minutes of our conversation. The Minutes will then be approved by both Buckie and myself, and as far as it does not break any Client Confidentiality Rules be published on line.

I have an address on Skype and would suggest we use this medium if convenient to all concerned.

Incidentally I have just returned from Cape Verde, went to visit the site and had meetings with Tecnicil, so would consider myself as up to date as I can be.

I am around next week so let me know of a convenient time and date so we can arrange the conference call.


Buckie,

A perfect opportunity for you to convey your views regarding ‘Solicitors in CV and those used here, and in Europe, are or appear to be useless in Cape Verde, with Cape Verde Law’ in addition to the validity of title deeds that Vila Verde owners currently hold.

This forum and those members on VVOG / VVLG forums are very curious of the minutes from this impending conference call.

Buckie seems quiet did he have that phone call with Rosemary

And his history shows he visited the site 11/13/12 @
15.39.

Maybe he can't type due to burnt fingers?

OK Once again you have drawn me into this farce…

Do you think ANY Solicitor would change its opinion now, after all those years when they have been unable to get money back ?

If such a conversation was to take place I would be told the crap all other Solicitors have fed you and everyone else over the years !

Why is it after 6 years, NO CASE HAS BEEN HEARD IN A COURT OF LAW ? (That includes this other farce from A&M ?)

As for the Contract…. Read what it states you own ! Simple as that.

If your happy with that, then good on you. I however would not be, but I’m not a buyer, so if the shit did hit the fan, it wouldn’t bother me ! It’s only my interpretation of the contract, and the way it's worded !!!

Peter, once again you jump in with a wild assumption ! If any of what Andy has posted were true in any way it would warrant a serious reply…. He seems to assume my Son, or a daughter I don’t have, lost money ? He of course refers to a thread on CV24 …
Yet if the thread is read it tells how they GOT MONEY BACK ? So how is it they lost money ? Madness ….

He's looking in now so perhaps he'll post the outcome of his telephone call

Must have been posting at the same time Buckie

Buckie

I see once again that you are back onto 'what we own'.

I have already asked you to put the words of the contract that you are looking at on here, but you have failed to do so. Perhaps you can do that, along with your interpretation of that, to point out why you are so worried for us (very kind of you!)

I suspect that as with everything you are just scaremongering and working to satisfy your own agenda.

As for the posts on another forum, yes they said that both your son and his sister bought properties on Vila Verde, but no, they did not confirm that they both got their money back.

This saves me moving onto the other thread that you have posted on here today. It is my opinion that all along you have beeen pushing others to go to arbitration, with them risking their money, in order that you could see a result for your own family, then you would act if there was a positive outcome.

You still try to rubbish the fact that there has been a hearing and a result, claiming it is just one person who appears to have made it up. There has been more than 1 person who has confirmed the results of the hearing on here, so that is not the case. Furthermore, you now throw into doubt how strong their case was, as they may have not acted as they should regarding their contract and Tecnicil.

Would it surprise you to hear that say 20, 30, or even 40 people have had this same result? You say it can't have happened as there's been no news about it! Surely with those sort of numbers involved someone would have sent you the results of the hearing, afterall, you claim to receive emails from the masses.

Here's some advice for you - instead of behaving in a devious way on a forum to help yourself and your family by 'fishing' constantly for free information and pushing others to spend their money to see what results will be gained, then demanding such information like you are somehow entitled to it, why don't you put your hands in your own pockets and pay for your own legal services?

You're bitter about things Buckie, losing money on properties and failing to open businesses in CV. I guess your recent absence on here has been down to you having egg on your face, being shown for what you are and what you have done. Your silence has been deafening, it has been shown why you have been on here, and the result of this arbitration hearing is pretty much the end of the line for you.

Now, why don't you let those of us who have completed get on with getting the best out of what we have and stop looking on with your envious eyes!

Andy, you cling onto this absurd image of my son or a daughter I don’t have, “have lost money” ? Again to offer some sort of weird agenda I’m supposed to have too, as why else would I post on topics you or other happy owners, don’t want to see posted !

If that were the case, and they lost all that money, would they not have infiltrated your private site/forum as being owners ? …. and shed some light on all those little secrets ?
As I’ve said, read the post o CV24, the sisters got their money back !!!

As for my own agenda … You known fine well I don’t have one ! However it is a means to an end that you have to show I have one ……


As for My silence is deafening ! How many posts have been made on here since I last posted ?

As for leaving Investors alone with their purchase ? You know why post and it’s by no means to scaremonger anyone, but point things out !

Each and every one of you have changed your stance towards your purchase and Tecnicil, and now you find yourselves, as I said, held at the wrath of Tecnicil, knowing there is nothing you can do but suck it up and play it out ! I say good luck, and I wish each and every one of you all the best and hope things do turn to your favour …. All those rentals too, it will happen, I just hope those finding it hard now can last it out ! I’ll not reply as I’ve just but given up posting now …


As for your other comments regarding money Back, I’ll post under that thread !

Buckie

Yes, I see that you have posted under the money back thread and George has replied accordingly.

I assume that you are not going to say that he is me, or that I have made him post what he did?

His message is pretty much as mine was, you hunt on here for information that you are not entitled to, and you scaremonger and speculate.

Can you not see that whatever your agenda, you neither help those who have completed or those who want money back. Your posts and comments are not welcome, but you are obsessed and you continue.

The result of the arbitration hearing is a disgrace and I hope a lesson to others who are considering buying in Cape Verde, but it has happened, despite you questioning it.

I hope that those wanting their money back challenge this and ultimately win, and they know if there's anything I can do to help with info then I will. As for those who have completed and in your eyes are 'at the mercy of Tecnicil', look at what the alternative would have been, and then understand that we now have to look forward and keep working for the best outcome that we are able to achieve, and we do, and will.

You not doing this conference call Buckie?. You got cold feet??

Rotti, what would be the point ?

Just read peoples comments about their Solicitors in here to see how they have acted, so a conference with anyone of them would be just the same old babble you guys have had over the years. If in fact your referring to the Contract ? All she or he can do is read what the contract states you own ! !

The Contract that at one time all agreed is very open-ended and can be interpreted however the reader reads it, some or as Andy says, all owners seem happy and content with regards to this ! Therefore it must be only me that reads it that way.

So what exactly are YOU thinking here Rotti ? Are Solicitors good and have acted to their best ability here. Or, are they all lying cheating scumbags just out for your money and done nothing of real value over the years ?