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TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14583

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During the meeting last week, we covered a number of subjects, which gave lots of information to buyers, who were all at various stages in the buying process.

Before the meeting, I had been waiting for some positive news from Tecnicil regarding, outstanding rental payments, missing furniture, and the backdating of condominium fees. As we speak, I am still awaiting a response from Tecnicil, but, it is the huge amounts of emails that I have received from buyers this week, that has prompted this post.

At the meeting, I covered compensation payments, explaining when payments on phase 1 & 2 started, the amounts involved and when they should be payable up until. This week, I have received numerous requests to calculate buyers compensation and have done so and my figures are 100% correct. I now find that my figures differ from those being offered by Tecnicil, this is either due to simply offering less than they should, or, as appears to be the case, due to the fact that they are trying to cease compensation payments when they give notice to snag, rather than deeds as it should be. I have spoken with Tecnicil over this and advised them that the contract is quite clear, in that compensation is due up until 28 days after deeds notification, and deeds notification cannot be given until the apartment is to the buyers satisfaction, or signed off by the snaggers. Tecnicil's approach on this annoys me somewhat, as it comes from a company that has ignored the money back clause in the contract, going on to say that they are at least offering compensation in line with the contract as an alternative. My advice to buyers, is to be aware of this, and what you are due and make sure it is correct before going any further, as you have no chance of getting it corrected once you have gone to deeds.

Also, at the moment, Tecnicil are pushing buyers to pay their final furniture payments, before they go to deeds, in order not to hold up delivery. Let me be quite clear on this, buyers who have completed almost 2 years ago and have paid in full for their furniture, still do not have complete furniture packs. This is because all of the furniture has not been paid for by Tecnicil and so is not available to install. If you do not wish to become another buyer with an apartment that you can't use due to missing furniture, mattresses, sofas, patio furniture, I would suggest that you hold back your final furniture payment until you have assurances that everything is available. Better still, maybe don't even complete on your apartment, until you have such assurances, otherwise you may end up in the same boat as others that have gone before, which is very frustrating.

To date, Tecnicil have not paid any rent to buyers who are in the rental pool, these payments should be made every 6 months, yet again, some buyers who completed almost 2 years ago have received nothing. My advice to those buyers who are affected by this, is look at your contract, if Tecnicil do not pay your rent, you can terminate the agreement and still expect future rental payments, as they are in breach. This gives you your apartment back, takes it out of the hands of Tecnicil, and whilst they probably still won't pay any rent, you can hold amounts due against future condominium charges for example.

So what of those condominium charges? Towards the back end of last year, Tecnicil called meetings for some of the first communities to be completed. The notice given for such meetings was around 10 days (if at all), a period which I have since asked Tecnicil to review and maybe increase to 6 months, to allow buyers to make plans to attend. The Canna meeting was the first to be held, 2 buyers in attendance, 1 representative, representing 3 other buyers, so 5 buyers in total to vote. Tecnicil hold the votes of the empty units, I understand that was in the region of 30, so you can guess in whose favour the votes went. Similar patterns emerged on the next few communities and Tecnicil failed to advise many buyers of the outcome of such meetings within 28 days,which they are duty bound to do. It was decided that buyers should have to accept the accounts and pay all fees due from 2009 & 2010, if they had gone to deeds during those years. This was irrespective of whether their apartments were habitable, or whether they could access the site, or whether they had electric or water, or whether they had missing furniture or not. Tecnicil had previously provided myself and other buyers with emails stating that condominium fees would not be backdated where buyers could no use their apartments for whatever reason. Today, Tecnicil have sent bills for backdated condominium fees, some of them up to around 1500 euros, despite some buyers never being able to use their apartments, having incomplete paid for furniture packs, and having received no rent that is now well overdue. My advice to anyone receiving bills for backdated condominium charges, is to challenge them, stating that you will only accept liability from the date you were fully able to use your apartment.

Along with all of the above, one buyer in the rental pool, today received a letter from their lawyers, stating that if they didn't pay their arrears on their water and electric, they would be cut off. The electric and water bills for all buyers in the rental pool, are the responsibility of Tecnicil, so yes, they haven't been paying such bills. In this particular instance, the apartment in question has also been rented out by Tecnicil, highlighted by the fact that another buyer staying in that apartment recently, commented on it's dirty state and other problems, which greeted them on their arrival. This is not an uncommon theme when it comes to comments regarding Tecnicil Resort Management, who have put buyers in wrong apartments, not carried out cleaning instructions given, told buyers arriving they have no reservation despite buyers having confirmation emails, I could go on trust me!

The fact is, Tecnicil have put themselves in charge of the future management of the resort, yet have not made a great start! They are showing themselves, to be a company who want it all their own way and have acted disgracefully over many matters. We are getting an owners group together, to hopefully ensure that we make sure that we all protect our investments going forward and get the most out of our holiday homes. Personally, whilst I am currently in the rental pool, with missing furniture, knowing others rents haven't been paid, knowing the apartments are not well managed, I will certainly be looking to get out after 2 years, to manage it myself, and ensure my utility bills are paid and connection remains.

I highlight all of the above, in order that buyers are aware and can so act accordingly, with caution. Many of us are aware of the importance of an owners group, as if Tecnicil carry on the way they are, they will destroy OUR resort and OUR investments. We need to ensure that Tecnicil are aware that as a group, we have the power to shape the future. Maybe Tecnicil just knowing that, will be enough to ensure they pull their socks up and start acting with integrity. I hope they do, and I still believe they should be given time and a chance to. However, if they don't, it is important as a group that we are able to put alternative management in place, in order to keep Vila Verde looking as fantastic as it is starting to, and to ensure that is well run for the benefit of us all for years to come.

Rant over.

Andy
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14584

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Hi Andy

I'm totally with you on this and although I was unable to get to the meeting, I will defiantly support as and when necessary.

I have recently been through difficulties with our management company in Bulgaria but have come out the other side to the owners advantage by all owners working together supporting the process.

Vila Verde is looking superb and we want to keep it that way.

Cheers

Noal
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14585

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Andy...that really saddens me, having to read that !

I put up a pretty good fight before people started signing for their properties as I though, or was told things would go this way, not that I'm saying in any way I told you so, I'd never do that, I just really feel for you guys ! I know some thought I was just out to cause trouble for Tecnicil or Villa Verde itself, I hope some can see that, that was never the case......

The reason I fought so hard at the time for an owners group to stand up to Tecnicil a few years ago, was that was the time to do it, they were stuck for money and desperately needed the funds, and I believe would have given in to some of the things needed to give owners more power in the resort, and the contract defined more, as it was or is very open ended and tends to work in Tecnicils favour all the time. Unfortunately, now, you’re a number, and that’s all, and having the government behind them think they can do anything they want ...

A members Group is a must and the bigger the better ! so hope you manage that as it is in everyone’s interest. I always said without the owners Villa Verde would never have been, and so those who completed early to help Tecnicil, should have been helped more or for a better word rewarded further down the line, now it appear they are getting treat the worst. Andy's put some very good advice in there and although I believe it too late now to really make a big difference, everyone should take notice of it. As sticking together is the only way you’re going to get anything done. I guess the Gloves are Off Now Andy !!!!

One alarming bit of news I got was EVERYONE is in the rental pool after you complete ! You have to inform them once you complete that you do not want to be in the rental pool. Telling them beforehand, for some reason, no longer counts, You must tell the Management Company, not Tecnicil "You don't want to be in the rental pool" ! This may be why they appear to be letting anyone’s property to Staff and Guests ! So be warned and Tell them or you may find someone’s been sleeping in your bed ! .....

Keep it up M8, you’re doing a grand job….

Have the service Charges been released yet ?

Back dated service charges of 1500 euros seems a hell of a lot, bearing in mind they are only for half the 2009 year and full 2010 year BUT as stipulated is a minimum charge as most things are not included !!!! Just another thing to look into.
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14589

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Buckie,
The power does lie with the owners according to the resort contract. As soon as Tecnicil have had their 2 years they are out if the majority of owners wish it. On current performance there is no doubt that they will be out. Condo fees in the first few years should be low as any repairs are the responsibity of the builder. Also, the day the condo fees start from is the date tecnicils 2 years start. So there time is nearly up now.
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14595

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I'd agree Peter, if I didn't know Tecnicil better. The contract is not clear on that issue ! (open ended) It states. You will have a choice, that’s all, but a choice from what ? Tecnicil will not let it go that easy, something’s got to pay the debts ! They will simply offer you a choice of who they put up. Of course the proper way would be a Tender process, but Tecnicil would have no control over that, would they? ....

However if enough make enough noise, you'd be surprised what can happen...

Did anyone ask about the "fresh drinking water bill ? I can't remember off hand, but though it was 8K, I had heard it was being used by Staff and anyone who popped into reception ! Still seems a hell of a lot of water being used ? and expensive, plus should it even be on the owners expenses ?

Since Andy explained those meetings were hurried through, without too many questions being asked. The devil of the detail was they would inform all within 28 days so they too could comment, alas, that didn't happen so a great deal of questions remain un answered. Those accounts too, are summaries, and need to be proper accounts so you have a breakdown of say wages, and not just one total....

There still is a great deal to do and you appear to be heading in the right direction, so good luck and hope someday Villa Verde becomes the resort it was sold as to people...
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14601

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Hi Andy

Well said. I think the actions of Tecnicil and the way goal posts keep moving show their lack of integrity. Buyers need to be on their guard at every stage of the process.

They also need to be aware that Tecnicil and its different departments operate as separate units when you receive mails. Their accounts department may make commitments to get your money that their furniture department will not be able to deliver.

If you could even get an email reply from their furniture department it would be a result!

You need to watch the lawyers as we are due to go to deeds awaiting date. I sent the money to lawyers assuming this would not be handed over to tecnicil until deeds signed. I learnt this week that tecnicil have the money which I feel reduces my power to negotiate.

We need to keep each informed and work as one in the fight for fairness to owners and the resort we want.

Thank again Andy I think the post definitely outlines all the current issues well and hopefully fore warned will help owners.

Caroline
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14609

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Why does Tecnicil not come on the site and explain
themselves ? they are very good asking for money
along the way ,for any wee thing ,but when its their
turn they do a disappearing act, now who does that remind me off? this has cost everyone a lot of money .and the service is crap ,from the minute the have out money .what happened the contract ,were is my money back for the overdue delay?
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14611

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Tasnag, its the dog, remember we met in belfast some time ago, email me and I will give you my tel. number, Im not living at the same address.

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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14625

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Hi Andy. You have signed off with "RANT ORER". I thought this was very informative and usefull info for everyone.
This is my first time to comment on the Forum and some will now doubt ask where have I been since 2007.
Maybe the following has already been noted on the forum somewhere. I was at the meeting in Birmingham on Saturday 29th January and on behalf of all that were there, a big thank you for your time and helpfull information. Also a big thanks to Michael Hayde who organised the meeting. Lets not forget Tony Fitzgerald and all the front row speakers.

Benny
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 9 months ago #14626

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Cheers Benny

Hope all is going well.

Andy
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 8 months ago #14659

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Hi all, just to give you my story on Tecnicil, I had requested money back from early last year, I was offered an alternative to merge as I had bought two apartments, a one bedroom and a two. I pushed on for money back regardless. I was always dubious about the money back situation as another investor I know personally agreed to a deal to have his money returned less the mri fee which I believe to be 15% of the purchase price of his apartment, he decided to suffer the loss and accepted this via his Solicitor. His money was to be paid back in installments commencing in january 2010. I caught up with him only in the last week and ask him about the money back, he told me that they paid him a token amount of his total money in January and hasnt had a penny since.
Anyway, I decided that I would go down the route of a merge and flew out to Sal in December past, I saw the apartments and when i came home opened up negotiations with Tecnicil on the possibility of a merge, they considered this and epxlained that there would be a small balance to pay if i kept the 2 bedroom, although back a few months ago, my solicitor told me that there would be no balance to pay, and if I downsized, there would be a balance in my favour. Now after weeks of emails to and fro Tecnicil have yet to provide me with actual figures either way, but today have stated that if I keep the one bedroom, Tecnicil would not be paying any difference back. The basic diffference is around 14k and with compensation added on one apartment would be around 22k. How dishonest is that. I really dont know what to make of this company and how things will end up. No doubt if I ever get the figures they will try to deduct the compensation totally even if I decide to keep the two bedroom. This then would amount to the cost of Arbitration which is still an option
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 8 months ago #14660

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Hi D

I think as I have said a lot recently, Tecnicil are trying to extract every last euro out of clients at present, as they want what is best for themselves and are trying to protect themselves financially. You just need to be really tough with them, to ensure that you get a deal that you are happy with, this goes for anyone, be it over merging, downsizing, compensation, resort fees etc etc.

I know better than most that Tecnicil never give in easily, but as long as what you ask for is fair and not excessive, they can come around to your way of thinking. Remember, in your case, they don't want arbitration/legal battles, they do want completions, and they will want them on the most favourable terms that they are able achieve for themselves. The fact that they are allowing clients to merge and downsize does show that they wish to look at solutions to suit both sides.

On the subject of negotiating with Tecnicil, it does look like the board has listened to the proposals that I put to them and these will be agreed, I hope, in the next day or so. This should take the pressure off those awaiting rent, along with those who have had no/limited usage of their apartments and have had requests for resort fees to be paid. I will post final details when 100% confirmed. I am also told that Tecnicil will then look at individual cases, and so be open to negotiations with buyers affected, which has to be a move in the right direction from them just demanding payment of fees from anyone who has gone to deeds.

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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 8 months ago #14661

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Dog, from what I was told by other going down that route is, Compensation is off the table if you re negotiate .... its not taken into consideration either way ...

Good Luck
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 8 months ago #14662

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Dog ,its like heads i won,tails you lose , they
dont move the goal posts ,just the whole playing fields.
wouldnt it have being better if they had knocked
15/20k of the final price,a lot more could have completed,better all round ,instead of screwing ever last penny from us, after mri i will never trust
a big company again.
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 3 months ago #15241

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Charles M8, How you Doing ? I've not been in touch as I've lost all my email details...

Hope You and Morag are still plodding on !!!
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 3 months ago #15243

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Nice to hear from you Charles...

Hacker, what you up too ?
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 2 months ago #15262

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Just noticed your post on this thread Buckie.

I hear Nuno Martins has left Tecnicil to work for the CapeVerdean government, what do we all make of that? Very interesting!
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 2 months ago #15264

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LOL, this was posted before the other post you replied to LOL "Which is in the Tortuga thread" LOL

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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 2 months ago #15277

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This has to be the cheapest 2 bed Penthouse on Villa Verde !

£67,800

I've never seen one that low before !

The problem is you don't know if its a re-sale or one of the Banks repos ? It's marked as un-sold ?

You can't beat that, can you ?
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Re:TECNICIL THE CURRENT STORY 7 years 2 months ago #15282

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that's very cheap buckie. topa are selling it aren't they? are you tempted yet!!!
regards
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